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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: Beginner friendly tunes available |
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The 8 beginner friendly tunes I posted a link to here earlier now have a permanent place on my site, under the Music section. Music score and Midi. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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klaus guhl
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Beginner friendly tunes available |
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Olle Gällmo wrote: | The 8 beginner friendly tunes I posted a link to here earlier now have a permanent place on my site, under the Music section. Music score and Midi. |
Thank you, very good to have it here. I was almost insecure about the tempo. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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jerry revelle Senior User
Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 115 Location: Elk Mound, Wisconsin USA (rural)
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: Tempo questions |
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Olle, this is really great...so much information. I was wondering whether musicians unfamiliar with the tempo/beat/rhythm...whatever one chooses to call it, of Nordic music, i.e. polsk(a), schottische/rhinelander, gånglåt, etc. could be helped by listening to some of the many selections of fiddlers available.
I know our spelmanslag's biggest problem is getting those new to Nordic music accustomed to the "beat" of the music. As you know, the timing is regular, but yet, it's irregular. A metranome is usless in trying to capture the nuances of a fine polsk(a). Only listening again and again to an accomplished player/recording will give one the "feel" for the music. Thoughts, anyone, please jump in. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I played on a bagpipe festival in Northern Ireland last year. One of the events was to invite local children to a concert. During my performance I taught them to clap the beat to a polska, which went very well after a few tries.
A day later on a workshop for adult musicians (most of them semi-professionals) I tried the same thing. They did not get it at all. "I can see what you do with your foot and I can hear what you play, but I can't see the relation between them", as one of them put it.
I also met a famous Bulgarian gajda player (Petko Stepanov - he is absolutely brilliant, by the way). He played very intricate 5- and 7-beat tunes but could not understand a regular 6/8 jig at all.
Beat is culture. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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Tex Senior User
Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 103
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Can you elaborate of what is being meant by the "Nordic" beat? Does this music not follow the 4/4, 3/4 time signatures that appear on the sheet music? |
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texasbagpiper Senior User
Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 352 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Tex wrote: | Can you elaborate of what is being meant by the "Nordic" beat? Does this music not follow the 4/4, 3/4 time signatures that appear on the sheet music? |
In the polska's, 3/4's , the third beat is accentuated as well as the first. Not sure about the others...
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Seth, a polka is 2/2 beat. (I assume that this was just a typo)
A polska is basically a 3/4 beat with stress on 1 and 3 (as opposed to a waltz, which is also 3/4 beat but with stress only on 1).
But there are many variants of the polska, some of them have a severe limp, which is hard to express in music notation. I guess it was this type of variations that Jerry was referring to. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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klaus guhl
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Olle Gällmo wrote: | The page has now been augmented with some advices on playing and some anecdotes. |
Very, very helpful.
Btw Am I blind? Where is "Polska frn Safsnas" gone one of my favorties? I was always convinced that I will find it in your tunes. But I could not. mmh... |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I never had any polska from Säfsnäs on my site. There is one on Per Gudmundson's record "Säckpipa", though (also a good beginner's tune). There is another one (not as beginner friendly) on Anders Norudde's "Kan själv!". _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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jerry revelle Senior User
Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 115 Location: Elk Mound, Wisconsin USA (rural)
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: Learning the "beat" in the culture |
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Olle's earlier remark that beat is culture is well taken. I'd like to think that the Nordic beat has lain dormant in my DNA for the 100+ years since we lost all contact with our Swedish culture, through the emigration and was just waiting for me to give it the opportunity to surface again.
I grew up in the southern culture of America, blues, bluegrass, jazz and some classical influence from my mother's 78's. I was given a harmonica by my father at around 10 (he played one too) and I learned to play by ear. Since there were no pianos in my neighborhood and not knowing the difference, I played it backwards (bass on the right) which now makes interesting conversation when I play face to face with another harmonica person, when they finally realize we're moving our harps in the same direction.
At around age 56, I took up Nordic turning dancing in Minnesota. It was hard for me as I wasn't a dancer (just in my heart). The vals went ok, the turns were difficult in the snoa and schottische but those ladies though I never would catch on the the polska ("...oh, oh...he's here again. You take him this time, my toes are sore from last week!"). Anyway, I finally became somewhat of an accomplished dancer of all the Swedish and some Norwegian dances.
At age 60, I took up the fiddle after being shown how easy it was to find the notes (I still play only by ear). Now, I'm on the other side of the dance floor, plying my dance beat to the fiddle. After playing fiddle a couple years, I was asked to bring my harps to a party to play harmonica. I nearly dropped the harp the first time I played it. I had become an unbelievably -better harp player (still mediocre by pro standards) but it was astonishing how my timing had improved, even on blues tunes that tend to wander and slide at will. How did this happen?
I lay it all down to mastering the Nordic dances. Now, as I fiddle, I'm with the dancers on the floor...gliding, sliding, turning. It's a wonderful feeling. We played at a mall last weekend in Minneapolis and I was dancing all the while I fiddled. I'm now looking forward to more of the same with the sackipia. (oops...sorry for the dissertation). |
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klaus guhl
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Olle Gällmo wrote: | I never had any polska from Säfsnäs on my site. There is one on Per Gudmundson's record "Säckpipa", though (also a good beginner's tune). There is another one (not as beginner friendly) on Anders Norudde's "Kan själv!". |
O, sorry, then I must be totally wrong. The one I think of is Per Gudmunson´s version, and a german player, Ralf Gehler, played it on his cd. so I may ask him. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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The site has been updated to include mp3 recordings of myself playing the beginner friendly tunes. Two of them were already available through the music page, but I fooled around with a new recording toy this last weekend, so now the others have been recorded as well. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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Aaron K. Holt Senior User
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I can't imagine a better message to read on a Monday, what a way to start the week.
They sound great Olle! _________________ Aaron |
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favrepipes
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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It's always a pleasure hearing you play, Olle. Keep those tunes coming!
Bo |
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