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JP WNC
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Asheville, NC (USA)
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: Sackpipa on YouTube |
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Ran into this a few days ago though it's obviously been posted for a while. This is probably someone from this forum and there are definitely other people from this forum that have seen this though I don't recall it being posted here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sy4j9bmJj4
I wonder if there's someone here (Olle? ) that could be persuaded to do a series of these kinds of videos to show how to play all of the various embellishments, etc. Instructional videos, if you will. It's one thing to hear them and read about them, but another to actually see them. |
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Eliott
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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That's a nice song he's playing. Great find as well. It's nice to find more people interested in the säckpipa, because it's so unknown to most people. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I wonder if there's someone here (Olle? Very Happy ) that could be persuaded to do a series of these kinds of videos to show how to play all of the various embellishments, etc. Instructional videos, if you will. It's one thing to hear them and read about them, but another to actually see them. |
I have thought about that, as a way to extend my web site. Both for reed making and playing techniques. The problem is that many playing techniques on bagpipes, in particular embellishments, aren't that visible. And in reed making the hands obstruct the view. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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JP WNC
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Asheville, NC (USA)
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I have thought about that, as a way to extend my web site. Both for reed making and playing techniques. The problem is that many playing techniques on bagpipes, in particular embellishments, aren't that visible. And in reed making the hands obstruct the view. |
Valid concerns. With playing, what's usually done is taking it in three steps. The first step is to play the section at full speed so you know what you're listening to. The second step is to slow it down to an absolute minimum so you can get a good look at what's going on, it might take a couple different angles - it'd obviously be advantageous to have someone else operating the camera for that (or just editing afterwards). The third step is then to bring up the tempo again, but just to half tempo to give the player an intermediate goal.
With reed making you'd probably need someone else operating the camera to get the odd angles necessary and would just need to do your best to keep your hands from getting in the way of the shot.
I would certainly appreciate seeing a series like this. I'll bet that 3/4 of the people on this site and many more unknown have come to want to play the Swedish bagpipe through your site and your playing.
If you decide to do it, you may also want to consider http://www.brightcove.com/ which seems to carry better video quality and caters to a more professional group. It's also free, but you really have to dig before they tell you that. |
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Aaron K. Holt Senior User
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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There are two things that I find interesting about that fellow's bagpipe:
The position of the drone - pointing downward instead of to the right, across the chest. (though this is merely cosmetic)
The fact that he's playing with completely closed fingering.
My chanter, and I believe most Swedish chanters for that matter, won't play certain notes in tune with completely closed fingering. On an A/E chanter A, G# and C/C# will play out of tune if one hole below isn't open.
Everyone's chanter and reeds behave differently, but I've never seen anyone play a Swedish bagpipe with closed fingering like that. Interesting find!
Olle, there is an Australian piper named CoryDale on youtube who, If I recall correctly, posts videos of various gaida tunes paying close attention to his fingering with the intention of helping people learn to play. The video that stands out in my mind is one where he plays Crnagorka several times - slow at first and with no embleishments, and then increasing in speed and ornamentation. Just an idea. _________________ Aaron |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The position of the drone - pointing downward instead of to the right, across the chest. (though this is merely cosmetic) |
That's because it is actually not a Swedish bagpipe. It is a Gajda where the chanter has been replaced by a Swedish chanter.
Quote: | My chanter, and I believe most Swedish chanters for that matter, won't play certain notes in tune with completely closed fingering. On an A/E chanter A, G# and C/C# will play out of tune if one hole below isn't open. |
A and C must be played with two fingers lifted on Alban's chanters, yes. On my chanters I can play C# and G# fully closed, though. However, I think the drawings that most people, including Bo, build from are derived from Eriksson's plans. Eriksson chanters have larger finger holes so they can be played fully closed throughout. Stefan Ekedahl and Harald Pettersson usually play like that, for example. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm.. A thought just occured to me. If the hands and fingers tend to be in the way when filming an instructional video, why not remove them?
What I mean is this: Make a graphic representation of the chanter, much like the one in a fingering chart. Circles for the finger holes black for covered and white for open. Now, animate it as the tune is played on a Fagerström chanter (which can generate midi, which is essentially just a series of on/off commands). That way you can see exactly what the player does with his/her fingers.
Of course, it won't be able to represent all playing techniques. As someone here recently put it: "Playing bagpipes is not just moving your fingers", but a a lot of it actually is just that, so I think it could at least be a nice complement to video. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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JP WNC
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Asheville, NC (USA)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Olle Gällmo wrote: | Hmm.. A thought just occured to me. If the hands and fingers tend to be in the way when filming an instructional video, why not remove them? ... |
The problem with the method you describe is that you don't see it coming. Fingers are fluid and don't just disappear and and reappear. If you look at the video above you can tell a lot from what he's doing. You can tell he's playing with closed fingering, that he's using the hole below the open hole to do vibrato, and if you look really closely that he's he's popping the ring and pinky finger of his top hand to make the "Yip" - the quick break in between the same low note. Now just imagine if the camera were zoomed in on his hands - you'd probably be able to see plenty well. Add to that a spoken description before hand of the technique to be played, playing it once through at a reduced pace (and overly articulated if necessary) and all should be well. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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JP WNC
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Asheville, NC (USA)
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Olle Gällmo wrote: | Is there any particular tune you would like to see recorded first? If not, I would probably start with the ones on my page with "beginner friendly" tunes. |
I'm partial to Ljugaren on the beginner tunes page, Polska efter Carl Magnusson, Springlek från Lima, and Säckpipslåt från Norra Råda. |
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Olle Site Admin
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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The beginner friendly tunes have now been recorded and posted as wmv video files on the site. See separate posts on this. _________________ Info on Swedish bagpipes at http://olle.gallmo.se/sackpipa
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Olle Site Admin
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